Shattered Rift
Dec 27 2004, 05:42 PM
I'm 90% certain they're working properly, and responding to Protections properly... as always, notify me of any errors you encounter.
To answer a few (but not all to keep up the suspense) of the questions you'll all be wondering, these TBs fine less often, and for much less than the old ones. They will not, however, notify the person stolen from every time they are used. Only sometimes. So if you notice a large amount of Sparks missing suddenly, it was probably a Tractor Beam. .::Still suspects that'll be a problem, but will work it out later::.
Exiled Phoenix
Dec 27 2004, 05:47 PM
so sometimes people won't even know if they've been stolen from? That's good, less chance of getting caught...
Shattered Rift
Dec 27 2004, 05:50 PM
QUOTE(The Exile of the Underdark @ Dec 27 2004, 03:47 PM)
so sometimes people won't even know if they've been stolen from? That's good, less chance of getting caught...
Heh. Also more chance for problems... the Logs still record everything, so Admins can check on who stole from who, though I don't want everyone...
I have a solution. 20% of the time it'll say who stole from you, and the other 80% it'll just notify you that you were stolen from.
Edit: Tractor Beams successfully updated. They will now always send a PM if you were stolen from, but there's only a 20% chance you'll find out who done it.
Exiled Phoenix
Dec 27 2004, 05:56 PM
At least it's still anonymous most of the time...
and one of the tractors died on me... and I stole with another one to get enough for it...
Shattered Rift
Dec 27 2004, 05:59 PM
QUOTE(The Exile of the Underdark @ Dec 27 2004, 03:56 PM)
At least it's still anonymous most of the time...
and one of the tractors died on me... and I stole with another one to get enough for it...
The weaker ones have a higher failure rate than the stronger ones. I'm going to go calculating out the numbers and figures later to make sure they're all strong enough, but in the meanwhile... well, I'll let our resident Rogue Phoenix have his fun,

.
Exiled Phoenix
Dec 27 2004, 06:01 PM
it was a v4.1 too...
I really should change my title to "Rogue Phoenix"...
Shattered Rift
Dec 27 2004, 06:09 PM
All of them can fail. Just let me know if there's an absurd number of failures, as that might mean I messed something up while fixing the Protection response part of it.
The Protections do make the TB less likely to succeed, by the way. Only a couple of people have them, but just letting you and everyone else know. The weaker Protection isn't very strong, certainly not in testing, but the stronger Protection comes at the cost of being able to use TBs. I might tweak their prices later.
It is always possible to succeed with a Tractor Beam, though. Both Protections alter the success odds in different ways, but you could get a TBv4.2 through against someone with an active Cloaking Device (granted, you have about the same odds of it failing or you being fined, but even the rich aren't completely protected).
Exiled Phoenix
Dec 27 2004, 06:11 PM
another one just died...

it was a v4.0 though so it was the weakest one...
Shattered Rift
Dec 27 2004, 06:15 PM
QUOTE(The Exile of the Underdark @ Dec 27 2004, 04:11 PM)
another one just died...

it was a v4.0 though so it was the weakest one...
.::Checks Logs::. One out of three working isn't bad. And just so you know, the person wasn't notified as to your identity (of course, once he checks this thread, he'll probably put two and two together,

).
Hum... .::Rechecks odds::. They have low failure rates... I'm surprised those two failed. .::Shrugs it off, for now::.
Exiled Phoenix
Dec 27 2004, 06:16 PM
I think you should make the TB v4.0 restock again so I can do more "Testing".
And I stole from someone who already is plotting against me so I'm doing prestrikes, like my shot at marik
Shattered Rift
Dec 27 2004, 06:19 PM
QUOTE(The Exile of the Underdark @ Dec 27 2004, 04:16 PM)
I think you should make the TB v4.0 restock again so I can do more "Testing".
And I stole from someone who already is plotting against me so I'm doing prestrikes, like my shot at marik

Two more stocked. I just took a glance at the coding, and it looks fine... so... I think your failures are probably just the odds adding up to why it took it so long to fail against me when I had Protection.
Exiled Phoenix
Dec 27 2004, 06:20 PM
wow. An admin listened to me.

Who are you and what did you do with Shattered?
Shattered Rift
Dec 27 2004, 06:23 PM
QUOTE(The Exile of the Underdark @ Dec 27 2004, 04:20 PM)
wow. An admin listened to me.

Who are you and what did you do with Shattered?

Don't worry, he'll wake up in a few hours once the chloroform wears off.
And besides... I need to get TBs fully debugged, assuming they're not already. Once there's a working system of Items, it'll be up to everyone to be active, rather than waiting for Marcus and I to realease the next Item (that, and the Pet system is going to take a long while for completion...).
Exiled Phoenix
Dec 27 2004, 06:25 PM
well I got a v4.0 and it worked, then a v4.1 and it worked, so now I'm deciding who to use the v4.2 on
Shattered Rift
Dec 27 2004, 06:31 PM
QUOTE(The Exile of the Underdark @ Dec 27 2004, 04:25 PM)
well I got a v4.0 and it worked, then a v4.1 and it worked, so now I'm deciding who to use the v4.2 on

Then all is well.
Exiled Phoenix
Dec 27 2004, 06:36 PM
Well I used the v4.2 to kill one of the richest members...
I think I stole 120 sparks
Shattered Rift
Dec 27 2004, 06:40 PM
QUOTE(The Exile of the Underdark @ Dec 27 2004, 04:36 PM)
Well I used the v4.2 to kill one of the richest members...
I think I stole 120 sparks

.::Sets about editing TBs so they're not as uber-powerful as they were before::.
Just so everyone knows: This is why Frisbees exist.
Exiled Phoenix
Dec 27 2004, 06:41 PM
They exist because when I get bored people lose a lot of sparks
Tyranus
Dec 27 2004, 06:41 PM
Exile, why do you insist on stealing from me at every possible oppotunity?

At least steal from me once I get into a usergroup....
Exiled Phoenix
Dec 27 2004, 06:45 PM
Since you complained so much I dropped you off the richest member list

now I won't steal from you since I only steal from members on that list
Shattered Rift
Dec 27 2004, 06:48 PM
QUOTE(The Exile of the Underdark @ Dec 27 2004, 04:45 PM)
Since you complained so much I dropped you off the richest member list

now I won't steal from you since I only steal from members on that list

Have fun stealing using the edited Tractor Beams. They're less likely to succeed than before, and have lower amounts that can be stolen (costs changed a little, too).
'course, they're still probably overpowered... but I'll determine that in a little while.
Exiled Phoenix
Dec 27 2004, 06:49 PM
EVIL! EVIL I TELL YOU!
You wrecked my fun...
Shattered Rift
Dec 27 2004, 06:53 PM
QUOTE(The Exile of the Underdark @ Dec 27 2004, 04:49 PM)
EVIL! EVIL I TELL YOU!
You wrecked my fun...

They're still decently powerful. I just need to make sure that it's not the same problem as when the Forums started, when Tractor Beams kept everyone hoarding Items so that they'd have Sparks.
Exiled Phoenix
Dec 27 2004, 06:56 PM
I'm still hoarding items over here...
too many people want to hurt my sparks...
Shattered Rift
Dec 27 2004, 07:01 PM
QUOTE(The Exile of the Underdark @ Dec 27 2004, 04:56 PM)
I'm still hoarding items over here...
too many people want to hurt my sparks...
The wonders of the curse of being a thief,

.
Exiled Phoenix
Dec 27 2004, 07:02 PM
Please sir, I only have little sparks here, spare some for me?
rollercoaster375
Dec 30 2004, 11:43 AM
Next item: Safe. Spectre item, but they can be used by everyone =D
Shattered Rift
Dec 30 2004, 03:15 PM
QUOTE(rollercoaster375 @ Dec 30 2004, 09:43 AM)
Next item: Safe. Spectre item, but they can be used by everyone =D
I thought it was going to be Spark Fuser? (And they were only going to be dismantlable by everyone, not useable by everyone.)
Sara
Dec 31 2004, 07:27 PM
My Version 4.2 failed. And I wanted to steal Shattered's sparks, too. Someday...
Shattered Rift
Dec 31 2004, 07:31 PM
QUOTE(Sara @ Dec 31 2004, 05:27 PM)
My Version 4.2 failed. And I wanted to steal Shattered's sparks, too. Someday...
Be careful about going after an Admin's Sparks,

. And these TBs are failing too often, o.o. .::Checks the Logs again to see if there were some successes he missed::.
Sara
Dec 31 2004, 07:32 PM
Why? Is it harder to steal an Admin's sparks?
Exiled Phoenix
Dec 31 2004, 08:41 PM
Not unloess they have a cloaking device... which they probably do

They also always know who hit them and can hit back a lot harder...
Shattered Rift
Dec 31 2004, 08:57 PM
QUOTE(The Exile of the Underdark @ Dec 31 2004, 06:41 PM)
Not unloess they have a cloaking device... which they probably do

I only have a... the other one. Which made Sara's 4.2 TB have only a slightly better than half chance of stealing from me.
TB's are having bad luck... that should quickly turn around, though. I'm still fairly certain they were coded right.
Exiled Phoenix
Jan 1 2005, 03:35 PM
Another tractor failed on me...
That's 5/6 that have failed...
Shattered Rift
Jan 1 2005, 03:37 PM
QUOTE(The Exile of the Underdark @ Jan 1 2005, 01:35 PM)
Another tractor failed on me...
That's 5/6 that have failed...
It'll balance out eventually... maybe.
Exiled Phoenix
Jan 1 2005, 03:39 PM
I think you nerfed them so people who use all their sparks to steal end up with nothing
Shattered Rift
Jan 1 2005, 05:59 PM
QUOTE(The Exile of the Underdark @ Jan 1 2005, 01:39 PM)
I think you nerfed them so people who use all their sparks to steal end up with nothing

Meh, they took a long time when I used them to prove that they were actually working by the right odds. Granted, the results you're getting are a bit odd, but nowhere near enough have been used to prove something's actually wrong in the coding.
Exiled Phoenix
Jan 1 2005, 06:05 PM
yet another one failed on me...
a v4.2 too...
6/7 have failed
Shattered Rift
Jan 1 2005, 06:13 PM
QUOTE(The Exile of the Underdark @ Jan 1 2005, 04:05 PM)
yet another one failed on me...
a v4.2 too...
6/7 have failed

Remember, the formula to find margin of error is 2*sqrt[p(1-p)/n], where P equals current percentage of luck, and N is the number of tries. 6/7=.8571428
Hence, 2*sqrt[.8571428(1-.8571428)/7]=
2*sqrt[.8571428*.1428572/7]=
2*sqrt[.122448979/7]=
2*sqrt[.017492711]=
2*.132260014=
.264520028=
~26%
o.o... now I can't remember whether I'm supposed to divide that by 2 for the plus/minus of ~86%, or not... but why do those numbers seem off, o.o? .::Checks TB coding versus what the TBs are set at to do::.
Exiled Phoenix
Jan 1 2005, 06:15 PM
uhhhh......
I have no clue what you just said

I'm sure I'll understand it in a few years after High School
Khaled
Jan 1 2005, 06:57 PM
The amount you're trying to steal affects success rate, so you might just be very greedy
Shattered Rift
Jan 1 2005, 06:59 PM
QUOTE(Khaled @ Jan 1 2005, 04:57 PM)
The amount you're trying to steal affects success rate, so you might just be very greedy

Actually, it shouldn't. These TBs were built from scratch by me, based slightly upon what the old models did. Everything's much simpler, and while Exile had a great run of luck while they were slightly more powerful, he's had horrible luck since then.
Khaled
Jan 1 2005, 07:02 PM
Oh... that's information that's always good to know
Exiled Phoenix
Jan 1 2005, 07:11 PM
Great...
Shattered all Tractor info is supposed to go only to me ;P
Shattered Rift
Jan 1 2005, 08:07 PM
QUOTE(The Exile of the Underdark @ Jan 1 2005, 05:11 PM)
Great...
Shattered all Tractor info is supposed to go only to me ;P
Remind me how many Sparks you stole with them?
Someone needs to keep you in check,

.
Exiled Phoenix
Jan 1 2005, 08:11 PM
I simplely placed the balence between Frisbees and Tractors back in order. When I started 10 or so people had over 100 sparks, now only 4 have. My work is going well

And when are you going to give me a title changer or change my title to "Rogue Phoenix"
Shattered Rift
Jan 1 2005, 08:21 PM
QUOTE(The Exile of the Underdark @ Jan 1 2005, 06:11 PM)
And when are you going to give me a title changer or change my title to "Rogue Phoenix"

When you go and buy one from the Store.
Exiled Phoenix
Jan 1 2005, 08:22 PM
Notinuse
Jan 6 2005, 06:22 PM
Well, my v4.0 stole 35 just now
Exiled Phoenix
Jan 6 2005, 07:55 PM
Good for you

More for me to take.
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